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Old 10-05-2008   #41
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How does Omen3 work with healers?

In Omen2 now, I noticed Single-Target Mode presents your target's target if it's hostile and they aren't. Since this technically means the monster's information is being actively displayed, does that mean that your healer threat is being shared?

Will the new Threat library (assuming you'll still use one) make educated guesses in the absence of hard data from Blizzard?

It seems like you're trying to move away from parsing the Combat events, and this is obviously a great goal for reducing resource usage. It just seems like Blizzard aren't giving us enough to play with though.
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Old 10-05-2008   #42
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There will be no educated attempts to guess threat in any manner. In Omen3, if your target is friendly, we will just use your target's target if it is hostile.

It doesn't work any different for healers. I might add some stuff to show threat on focustarget or focustargettarget if your main target and targettarget are not hostile units.
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I'm afraid the AOE feature is not possible to implement without scanning the combat log and doing manual threat calculations for every mob (and then syncing...). Remember you cannot obtain threat on a mob if someone isn't targetting it in your raid? If there are 50 whelps and only 6 of them are targetted by your raid, then the other 44's threat cannot be queried in any manner.
Damn it, man! You're supposed to be nearly God-like in your ingenuity!

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Have you told Blizzard about the targeting requirement and incombat requirement for querying threat? Maybe it could get fixed?
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Old 10-05-2008   #45
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Have you told Blizzard about the targeting requirement and incombat requirement for querying threat? Maybe it could get fixed?
I wrote a longer answer but the forum ate it so the shorter version is that blizzard knows the limitations of the api and there are reasons to not send you all information about all players and mobs in your area of interest.

If you need to know when the tank has like 5000 threat with his target or something like that then it's very easy to write an addon that announces that.

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I'm afraid the AOE feature is not possible to implement without scanning the combat log and doing manual threat calculations for every mob (and then syncing...). Remember you cannot obtain threat on a mob if someone isn't targetting it in your raid? If there are 50 whelps and only 6 of them are targetted by your raid, then the other 44's threat cannot be queried in any manner.
Would'nt it be possible to set a "Main Healer" like you set a Main Tank in ORA?
Since a Healer ends up being in the threat list of every mob in range/combat anyway, we could simply get the threat info from him.
This would be kind of "syncing light" feature.
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Old 10-06-2008   #47
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Would'nt it be possible to set a "Main Healer" like you set a Main Tank in ORA?
Since a Healer ends up being in the threat list of every mob in range/combat anyway, we could simply get the threat info from him.
This would be kind of "syncing light" feature.
You're still not thinking right. Even if the main healer is in combat with 50 mobs, if the raid is targetting only 6 of them, that main healer, or anyone for the matter, cannot obtain threat details of the other 44 until someone in the raid targets them, because those 44 mobs are unreachable.
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Old 10-06-2008   #48
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While I hate that "unreachable unless attacked" stuff, it could prove to make raids even more of a challenge, might be fun
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honestly its really only an issue in AOE situations otherwise you will probably have someone always targeting some unit

btw is it possible to scan someone else's focus? since sometimes you will not directly care about a unit but will idk CC it and want to make sure it wont head to the healers if it breaks
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honestly its really only an issue in AOE situations otherwise you will probably have someone always targeting some unit

btw is it possible to scan someone else's focus? since sometimes you will not directly care about a unit but will idk CC it and want to make sure it wont head to the healers if it breaks
You can only scan your own focus/focustarget. No one else can. Likewise, same for mouseover/mouseovertarget. Omen3 already scans these as well.

The main thing is, Omen3 only displays threat details of a unit you are targetting ("target") or what he is targetting if its a friendly unit ("targettarget"), so if you wanted to know the threat details of mobX, you would need to target mobX or someone targetting mobX to see his threat details - and the moment you do that, the rest of the raid will automatically have threat details on mobX by the simple fact that you are targetting it - and mobX becomes reachable for the whole raid.

There really is little reason for doing syncing of any kind (syncing also uses more CPU time than just raid scanning regularly), other than the "can't get threat info unless I'm in combat with it" problem.
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